so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.
and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.
But every JW I have spoken to is so EXCITED! "It's it just wonderful the way the faith-salve takes such good care of us with all the changes going on."
I just don't get it how can they not see the absurdity of it. I often wonder if I had not woken up when the pedophiles moved in if I would still be that stupid.
LITS
*** g74 11/8 ***9 is this the time to have children?there has always been a positive attitude about childbearing.
*** g74 11/8 10 is this the time to have children?
what does imminent mean?
I woke up but too late to have kids. One of my biggest regrets in life also. I was just talking to a JW women about a month ago and this sister who is in her mid 30's is having her first child and this JW women was going on about how this is just not the time to have kids. Yet this JW had two kids in the 90's when "it was not the time to have kids". I just hate the judgmental stupidity of the cult. It's not OK for anyone else to do it but I can.
I look back on all of those who told me to pioneer and server where the need was great, etc and I did what they said without thinking now I realize that they are the ones who had five, six kids. Why did I not see how hypocritical they were at the time is beyond me now. I was told to keep my blinders on and I did a good job of it. I was so blinded by the cult that I could not see the forest beyond the trees, I have only myself to blame for being so stupid. It is all so clear now looking back.
LITS
last week where i live we had the worst wind storm in the history of our area.
we had gust of 71 miles an hour from 3 in the afternoon till 8 at night.
it was like a hurricane at times the wind did sound like a freight train.
Last week where I live we had the worst wind storm in the history of our area. We had gust of 71 miles an hour from 3 in the afternoon till 8 at night. It was like a hurricane at times the wind did sound like a freight train. I would say 70 percent of the city lost power at some point. Huge trees went down, many homes have been damaged if not destroyed. It is a week later and many still do not have power.
Now my husband is an active JW and in all fairness I got a call on my cell phone the night of the storm telling me the meeting was canceled which to tell the truth kind of surprised me as the meeting usually goes on no matter what and why on my cell phone I do not know as I do not attend anymore. And the next day I got a text asking if we were OK by one of the not the brightest elders on the block.
So we spent the weekend helping a neighbor remove some tree parts from her yard and while we were working outside this man was going door to door handing out a flyers, he was really friendly but looked tired. It turned out he was from a church that is about two miles from out home that had power and the members had gotten together and made soup and were opening their door to everyone who wanted to get a hot meal and charge up their phones, etc.
I just thought what a difference between JW's and the world that they hate and slam at every chance they get. I have had to drive by the KH many times this week on my way to work and every time there are cars there with ones going DTD to people without power and yet this church opens their doors to strangers while JW's just bug people who are already stressed out.
It just reminds me of the scripture that was drilled into my head as a child "By their fruits YOU will recognize them."
The differences of love that the world shows compared to JW's is so huge. I am so tired this week after everything we have been through this last we we finally got back internet, etc Sunday night but there are still people without power right now and it is below freezing here yet the JW's have their meeting tonight as the show must go on.
It is such a cult and the lack of love is so clear, I do not understand why people stay.
LITS
my middle brother called me a couple of hours ago.
our youngest brother, josh, who was 38, was found by his friends in his apartment.
he hung himself.
I am just so sorry, word fail me at times like this, but I wanted to add that my thoughts are with you.
LITS
hi,.
with the layoffs of bethelites and special pioneers, does anyone know if they get some sort of "redundancy" payout?
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I can totally attest to it. YOU GET NOTHING! We were in Brooklyn Bethel for 90 Sands and when we left in 1994 it was your out of here. Nothing else. You barley get a piece of paper telling future employers where you were for all those's years. You have to beg for that, and I mean that you have to go to the construction office and ask for it and they they ask why you want it and you have to tell them well we need to find work and having a two and a half year gap will probably cause future employer's to question it, yad, yad, yad. It's totally crazy.
Zappa we were at Brooklyn Bethel in the US. Maybe in other country's but not here. We took a vow of poverty and you get nothing. I remember the very first day when we were just starting orientation and the brother giving it was walking us down to the 50 building to show us somethings. My husband and I were standing right beside him and he told us he was sick of ones coming to Bethel and then when they left blaming Bethel for them struggling financially. I will never forget his exact words "No one made them come and they should have counted the costs" It really, really bothered me but I was so cult induced and told that Jehovah would never let his true worshipers go without that I shrugged off his words but they never left my mind.
LITS
just got a phone call from an older sister saying that a couple that got re-assigned from bethel 4 years ago to live at their kh apartment as special pioneers, just received a letter saying "as of january 2016, your special pioneer assignment will be discontinued".. they live in a south miami kh(snapper creek congregation).. this couple had only served in bethel for 15 years before they were sent out into the special pioneer work.
they are now in their mid 50's and the sister said that they have to find part time jobs to support themselves.. the older sister (does not have a pc or internet), says that the couple are just devastated!
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We served where the need was great when we were first married and we never got any hand outs. I worked 30 to 35 hours a week and put in 90 a month to pioneer. If anything we were dumped on to support others. As an elders wife I got hit up a lot by the poor ones in the hall. I do not know why, most of the JW's I knew always talked about how broke they were and I never did and I think because of that everyone just thought we had money. We always had a car stuffed with the other pioneers who did not want to use their cars in service. We got up to 7 people in our 1982 Honda Civic. It was totally crazy but the other pioneers were willing to squeeze in without seat belts as long as they did not have to use their car and spend their gas. We got our gas tank filled up once in all that time. In all fairness my husband did get $50.00 a month from a brother in the hall before we married who had pity on him. This brother was worth over 2 million and he let everyone know it, looking back that is crazy also. But I never got any help and this brother died a couple of months after we were married. No one ever helped me nor did I want it. I always felt it was wrong to not work for what you chose to do in life. But it did tick me off to haul around other pioneers who lived way better than I did for free.
Than we went to Bethel. When we came back we go no help expect from one brother who let us begrudging stay in his travel trailer for about 6 weeks while we found a place to live and got jobs.
It was hard and scary even though we had been on our own for most of our adult lives in those two and half years at Bethel the world had changed, Rent was double what it was before we went and wages were the same.
The biggest shock to me was how disrespectful the ones in the hall seemed toward us especially the other elders and their wives. Here these elders got up on the stage doing the service meeting touting from the KM that we should give whole soled service to Jehovah, yad, yad, yad, yet here they split out 5 to 6 kids had full times jobs and lived a normal life. It was a life that I wanted but these elders kept telling me this was not the real life and that I needed to sacrifice now and I could have the kids and homes, etc that they had now in the new system. I just never questioned why they were not doing it themselves, I only focused on what they were speaking, thinking it was from Jehovah.
I know, I know, I KNOW it is so stupid looking back in hindsight. How stupid was I? I threw away my life. I gave up the best years of my life to do things I totally hated. I hated being squeezed into a tight fitting car for 8 to 10 hours driving around aimlessly. I hated sitting in a car for hours and hours waiting on my husband in his elders meetings. I hated spending all our money on gas driving around aimlessly. I hated stressing out how we would pay our bills because all of our money went to field service, stressing how we would pay for car repairs which happened all the time because of beating the crap out of our car with so many people in it.
I hated having to have everyone over to feed the speaker and being yelled at for not doing more. I hated being put down all the time, being judged about everything I did because I was an elders wife. I hated not being able to follow my dreams but I kept being told by the ones who were not doing it themselves that it was what Jehovah wanted and I just was stupid enough to believe it and I kept my blinders on like I was told to do and not look closely at what others were doing because Jehovah would judge us each individually and then one day I woke up and I was old and realized that I was stupid and most of the JW's did not do what they touted and spouted.
I am sorry but I just really feel sorry for those who bought into it all like I did. I am not going to help them because I can't but it still does make me feel sad for them.
I also know many of them like the pioneers who squeezed into our car and many, many, many at Bethel who got their praise and glory and ton's of hand outs. I know of one couple who were my age who always told everyone they could that they were Bethelites and that they were poor, etc and they got tons of money given to them. This couple also before Bethel worked very, very well paying jobs and flew to Europe, etc on ski trips, etc. It always killed me when I heard of their begging.
So what I guess I am saying is that there are two class of full time JW's. Some do it purely for the glory and I do not feel sorry for them. But for those who really believed it and lived it, my heart goes out to them.
LITS
just got a phone call from an older sister saying that a couple that got re-assigned from bethel 4 years ago to live at their kh apartment as special pioneers, just received a letter saying "as of january 2016, your special pioneer assignment will be discontinued".. they live in a south miami kh(snapper creek congregation).. this couple had only served in bethel for 15 years before they were sent out into the special pioneer work.
they are now in their mid 50's and the sister said that they have to find part time jobs to support themselves.. the older sister (does not have a pc or internet), says that the couple are just devastated!
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I just feel it's sad, not all of us who gave up our lives wanted glory. I did it because I really felt that is what God wanted me to do. I just think it is sad.
LITS
"sometimes i think the only thing i could do that wouldn't upset someone would be to kill myself.".
those were the frustrated words of my friend as we stood out in his large yard in the country, just about to enjoy a nice bonfire on a beautiful night.
what was it that could have been a lesser evil than killing himself?
So well written. You described so much of how I felt, I thought of suicide so often while I was pioneering and I just could not understand why I wanted to die so bad because I was in the "truth" with the happiest religion.
I now understand, though I still struggle with depression and anxiety and probably always will as a by product of the religion.
Thanks for witting such a great post.
LITS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_h68ktwpim&feature=youtu.be.
wow cult classic that is so sad and yet I know it happens. When we were at Bethel the cut back on the full time commuters, funny how that upset me but I still did not get it that it's a cult. Well there was this one sister who had moved to New York just to work at Bethel and she did not really work. She was just really strange well of course she got let go but she would not leave. She just kept showing up anyway. They extended her leave time at least twice but she still kept coming.
We left Bethel ourselves about that time and she was still "working" when we left. I always wondered what happened. So unlike what Herd said they are not happy about this I can guarantee it.
LITS
has anyone else's family finances been victim to the 'seek the kingdom first' economic policy?.
for years, my husband and i have had our own business, my husband is not the most proactive guy, prefers to go in field service than to work, but he has always encouraged me to 'rely on jehovah and all these other things will be added to you', 'seek the kingdom first' etc etc.
there have been times, such as when i was heavily pregnant and we lost a big deal, that i have been begging jehovah on hands and knees to honour that promise, wondering why he wasn't helping us.
I am in the same place. My husband has told me Jehovah only helps when you get to the very edge and have one foot over the cliff and are ready to jump financially. It also mean's that Jehovah will only give you what you need to just exist which means it could be just one slice of bread a day. It would be enough for you to live on and nothing more.
I am not joking that is how he truly feels. I stupidly bought into it. We pioneered where the need was great, other pioneers were buying new cars and parking them two blocks away so as to not get door dings on them and then squeezing their fat bodies into our Honda Civic. There were going to on date nights to restaurants that I could not dream of going to. We never even had date nights as my husband was to busy being an elder.
I got on my knees begging and pleading with Jehovah so many times, crying my eye's out, pleading for help. I had a key to the hall as I was a pioneer and there were times I would go into the hall alone and get on my knees pleading and pleading with Jehovah for help.
Nothing, I got nothing, but I was yelled at by the other pioneers for not having money. That is all I got. It is just so frustrating. Living on one slice of bread a day is just a joke and we have been down to that little at times. My husband just kept telling me to keep my blinders on and focus on the Kingdom. It's hard to when you are watching everyone else have a life in the religion and you are living on nothing.
All I can say is it is just crazy and I truly think it is a mental illness that causes people to think that way. It is not right and if there is a God that is not what he wants from us.
LITS
